

Am primit de la Daniel Pipes the newsletter care descrie dezbaterea care a avut loc intre el si Ken Livingstone, primarul rosu al Londrei.
Circa 5000 de oameni au fost prezentzi !!! mass media a ignorat-o, nu insa si blogurile, care incep sa prinda din ce in ce mai mult, acolo unde stapanii mediei nu au interes sa faca cunoscut publicului lucruri care probabil le contrazic agenda.
Iata contzinutul emailului cu adrese de bloguri care redau contzinutul dezbaterii.
It all began with a faxed letter from Ken Livingstone, mayor of London, arriving out of the blue on April 4, 2006:
I will be hosting a conference to discuss the thesis of the "clash of civilizations" first popularized by Professor Samuel Huntington's book, The Clash of Civilizations and the Remaking of World Order. I would like to invite you to debate this thesis with me at the opening session of the conference, which will be held 10am-1pm on Saturday, 10 June 2006.
Iata contzinutul emailului cu adrese de bloguri care redau contzinutul dezbaterii.
It all began with a faxed letter from Ken Livingstone, mayor of London, arriving out of the blue on April 4, 2006:
I will be hosting a conference to discuss the thesis of the "clash of civilizations" first popularized by Professor Samuel Huntington's book, The Clash of Civilizations and the Remaking of World Order. I would like to invite you to debate this thesis with me at the opening session of the conference, which will be held 10am-1pm on Saturday, 10 June 2006.
The conference was twice delayed, before finally taking place two days ago, on January 20, 2007. It was quite an event, held in the Queen Elizabeth II Conference Centre, across the street from Westminster Abbey.
The mayor told me in a private chat before the event that when he conceived of the event two years ago, he wondered if anyone would show up. He need not have worried; the Greater London Authority's website indicated there had been "an unprecedented demand" for tickets and several days in advance of the event shut the ticketing. One organizer on the mayor's staff told me that the audience numbered about five thousand and that over 150 media had registered for the conference.
The mayor and I each invited a seconder to help us make our arguments: he chose Salma Yaqoob, a councillor in Birmingham, and I chose Douglas Murray, the London writer.
Due to the large crowd, the event started a half hour late but even truncated, it still went for slightly over two hours. Despite the many journalists and video cameras, and despite the GLA having recorded and simultaneously transcribed the event, and despite two and a half days having passed since it took place, there has been – quite to my surprise – not a single media account of the debate, nor a video made available, nor a transcript. (This reminds me in a way of my University of California-Berkeley talk three years ago, which created quite a stir but had zero media coverage).
There have, however, been a number of blog accounts – interestingly, every one of them sympathetic to Murray and myself; it would seem that the mayor's supporters took a pass on reporting the event. In alphabetical order by author, here are are the fullest and most interesting accounts that I have located:
Sharon Chadha, "Clash of Civilizations?" SharonChadha.com, 21 January 2007.
Gandalf, "Clash of Civilizations." UpPompeii.com, 21 January 2007.
Graham, "A Very Civilised Clash." Harry's Place, 22 January 2007.
Jonathan Hoffman, "Daniel Pipes survives Livingstone's Lions' Den." Adloyada.com, 21 January 2007.
David Pryce-Jones, "Debating Clash." National Review Online, 20 January 2007.
Beila Rabinowitz and William A. Mayer, "Dr. Daniel Pipes and Douglas Murray Triumph over ‘Red' Ken Livingstone in London Debate." PipeLineNews.org, 22 January 2007.
Gandalf, "Clash of Civilizations." UpPompeii.com, 21 January 2007.
Graham, "A Very Civilised Clash." Harry's Place, 22 January 2007.
Jonathan Hoffman, "Daniel Pipes survives Livingstone's Lions' Den." Adloyada.com, 21 January 2007.
David Pryce-Jones, "Debating Clash." National Review Online, 20 January 2007.
Beila Rabinowitz and William A. Mayer, "Dr. Daniel Pipes and Douglas Murray Triumph over ‘Red' Ken Livingstone in London Debate." PipeLineNews.org, 22 January 2007.
4 comments:
Bravo Roy, am vazut ieri seara art. asta, primit cu newsletter.
Daca ai uitat, or ti-a scapat, uite-ti fac "cadou" o critika kompetenta in privinta lui Daniel Pipes.
Tine-te tare, sa nu cazi !
Daniel Pipes? "un dezgustator rasist"
Tzin sa fie, tzin sa fie... ???
Am citit ce a scris Roxana. Numai un om care nu-l cunoaste pe Pipes, poate sa scrie asa ceva.
Eu primesc emailurile lui de ani de zile. Intotdeauna am admirat cum isi exprima ideile cu claritate, bazandu-se pe citate si surse provenind din ziarele considerate cele mai serioase.
Pipes desigur nu a scris ceea ce ii refera Roxana. Din contra, cred ca sursa lui Roxana este o sursa araba sau de stanga radicala.
In materie de cunoastere a arabilor, ma bazez pe Pipes, are doctorat in studii arabe pe care mi se pare ca l-a facut la Cairo si stie araba bine. Deci ii cunoaste foarte bine.
Si aici e apreciat Daniel Pipes, mereu citat de intelectualii onesti, detestat, or cel putin ignorat de stangime.
Culmea e ca Franta are multe bloguri formidabile (dupa cele germane, in opinia mea nr. 1 in Europa), eu nu stiu cum de nu le citeste, unde mai pui ca art. lui Daniel, majoritatea, dau si versiunea tradusa in franceza, imposibil sa se ajunga la asa o concluzie.
Ai vazut bine, ca art. citat era exprès in lb. romana, chior si surd sa fii ca sa poti clasifica un Daniel Pipes "dezgustator rasist".
Se vede ca o fi citit pe undeva, lemonde, voltairenet, cu siguranta, de anumite universitati americane - le stim noi bine care - de a venit cu asa o concluzie.
Prima oara cand am citit un art. scris de el, ani in urma, a fost din Corriere, citat de Magdi Allam, un italo-egyptean, mai zi si tu ceva !
Pt. cei care doresc sa vada personal cum s-a desfasurat dezbaterea respectiva, niste inregistrari video pot fi vizionate AICI.
Enjoy !
P.S. Is it just me or Ken Livingstone (the mayor of London, also named "red Ken") is truly an idiot ?
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