Friday, December 19, 2008

toti am auzit de Madoff ...

Pe scurt, de mai bine de 10 ani Bernie nu investea in nimic, doar lua banii de la investitori si din acei bani facea plati anuale (cica profituri de pe urma investitiilor ...) la toti investitorii !!
Iata si numelor celor de pe lista
"Madoff`s Victims".

Ceea ce e interesant este ca NIMENI asociat cu el nu are scapare, nici acei care, ... la aflarea stirei despre arestarea lui Madoff, se considerau extrem de norocosi ca si-au retras banii acum citiva ani si ca au scapat nevatamati. Iata de ce:
BOSTON (Reuters) - Disgraced money manager Bernard Madoff's suspected $50 billion (33 billion pound) fraud scheme looks set to burn even those who pulled their investments out long before the scandal rippled into the global financial system.
Such investors may have counted themselves fortunate, withdrawing their money years ago to buy a house or to pay for a daughter's education, and may have even sighed with relief because they ended ties with Madoff long before the scandal erupted late last week.

But they, too, could face trouble, lawyers say. Because of a legal concept known as "fraudulent conveyance," they could be forced to return their profits and even some of their initial investments to help offset losses incurred by others entangled in the long-running Ponzi scheme ....

(continuarea: Madoff fraud could burn early pullouts)

Cit despre ceilalti membri ai familiei Madoff, ce sa mai zici ??
Vinovati sau nu, implicati sau nu, ...
si ei si urmasii lor vor ramine pe veci patati de renumele lui Bernie !!
Poate abia peste 100 de ani, se va vorbi despre el fara sentimente si patos, asa cum se vorbeste de un Al Capone, sau chiar de Ponzi (un mic copilas, pe linga Madoff !!) ...

5 comments:

vics said...

am descoperit un blog al unui specialist in ale finantelor, (are si o pagina in wikipedia in care evident, nu are incredere ...),
scrie frecvent la Forbes, a scris si ceva carti destul de citite ..., a facut si ceva bani jonglind pe piatza (se considera norocos ca a scapat onorabil),

deci, stie despre ce vorbeste ...
iata si blogul lui Andy Kessler in care ne impartaseste punctele lui de vedere asupra evenimentelor financiare ale zilei ...

imi place ca se rezuma la subiect !

calzing said...

De buna nu este,mereu dea nostri ca brazii in mijlocul junglei......(?)

vics said...

Pe tema "Madoff is Jewish" au aparut multe comentarii acuzatoare si neplacute ...
Multe bloguri s-au vazut nevoite sa aplice pentru prima oara cu ocazia asta, "comments moderation".

Pe unul din blogurile pe care le citesc,
un Anonymous said...

"It is quite regretful that this will cause a giant stain on the reputation of Jews, in which this event, which will cause quite a financial disruption to a great group of people of various races and ethnicity, as a group, as it will give the impression that Jews work and invest solely in solidarity.
It is without a doubt that most of the investors, both individual and institutional, were Jewish. This will give the appearance of a private giant investment pool controlled by Jews, which bordered on the racist trend to have a closed group control the masses.

It is not correct to blame Jews for this financial calamity, but Jews must become concerned that the impressions given to the world, of controlling all arms of the financial world, can be quite destructive and counterproductive as a whole.
I am hopeful that the Jewish community will take the time to thoroughly examine the many other closed or very tightly knit Jewish groups, clubs or associations, in order to insure that transparency and openness is displayed as a whole, in order to prevent anti-Jewish sentiments to increase worldwide or locally."

12/17/2008 3:05 AM

Roy said...

Daca Madoff era sa zicem roman, aceleasi putori care sar pe elementul judaic din afacere s-ar fi indepartat de el in viteza.

Dar fiind evreu, ehei, asta-i alta chestie, se poate profita in ambele directzii. Adica:

1) Daca cei care au investit banii in Madoff nu erau evrei, asta inseamna ca banii lui Madoff au fost transferatzi in Israel (vezi reactzia lui Aladin - care nu stia inca ca afacera Madoff a inghitzit si multzi bani din surse evreiesti.

2) Daca printre cei care au investit banii la Madoff erau multzi evrei, asta este luata ca o dovada ca evreii tzin lumea in buzunar (vezi reactziile chinezului Popescu)

Oricum, nu este bine.

Apropo, de Madoff nu auzisem inainte si nu s-a publicat ca era mare filantrop in Israel. Cateva institutzii si companii israeliene erau investite in fondurile lui, printre care Technionul din Haifa, si ceva companii de asigurari.

Anonymous said...

Un număr de fundaţii evreieşti care finanţau acţiuni culturale şi filantropice îşi ţineau fondurile în administraţia lui. Când operaţia de money management s-a prăbuşit, acestea s-au închis.